about being liberal or conservative anymore y'all. That is a hype offered by the fascist whores who want to confuse the people with lies while they turn this country into an aristocratic police state. Some people will say anything to attain power and money. There is no such thing as the Liberal Media, but the Corporate media is very real.
In favor of Raising bonds for constructing 200 mph high speed rail trains up and down the state.
“Sadly, much opposition has come from people who say they like the idea of 220-mph trains zipping up and down the state, but
don't think we can afford it right now, in a time of budget disaster and economic crisis.
“That sounds prudent, even reasonable, but it ignores an important fact of American history: Many of our most important public
works projects have come in times of deep economic distress -- and they have been crucial elements in our recovery in those
“Recall the Great Depression, when voters in the Bay Area passed bonds to build the Golden Gate and Bay bridges -- projects
that lightened the impact of the Depression on that region and were critical to the postwar economic boom. Shasta Dam was
built during the Depression, and remains a linchpin of the state's water system.”
The closing paragraph of the editorial is a powerful, stirring statement that deserves to be quoted in full:
“The high-speed rail project is immense, and that can be daunting. The current economic situation is likely to get worse before it
gets better. In the past, Californians have risen to such challenges with vision and determination. Voting "yes" on Proposition 1A
is a declaration that we still possess those qualities, and have not surrendered them to a timid faith in a status quo that is no
[SOURCE: | Fresno Bee editorial | 18 October 2008]
Wow, imagine being in Los Angeles by taking a 4 hour train, or up to Crescent City or Eureka or Lake Tahoo. San Franciscan's
would load up their bicycles and make the trip Friday evening at 4pm and be there by 8pm. Rental car services would easily
increase. Places connected to the various trains would see an influx of tourist visitation, and people who can ride the train will be
able to move quickly across the state, reducing the traffic on the highways and interstates.
I can see this train easily reducing
interstate traffic by 10%, but urban traffic probably won't be reduced unless inter-city urban public transit gets a boost.
Most people who live in suburbia or in any sprawled out urban area would use an efficient, rapid, inexpensive
transit system. The only way to do that is to make the transit lines separated from automobile traffic. That's why the various
subways and metro lines in the world work. You can't have a transit system that relies upon buses on the streets.
This should be a Federal project. There are many cities across the United States that would benefit from having rapid transit.
Houston and Miami and Memphis and Raleigh and Cleveland and Milwaukee and upstate New York, and so on. Interconnecting
various cities into a central complex could rival the interstate railroad system that was built in the 1860's. Road congestion
everywhere would be reduced and local economies would be enhanced because promoting trains promotes foot traffic which
enables people to be closer to their surroundings than they would be when surrounded by their metal comfort zones driving to a
destination. Such transportation also reduces the transportation load costs of various small businesses and economic
The purpose of government is to do for the nation what no one individual or group of individuals will not, or cannot do. We can't
expect the private sector to suddenly have keen insight and raise the enormous amount of sums necessary to create this huge
infrastructure. The slim profit margins and the scale of the investment proscribes the limitations of private capital. Private firms
can't raise 800 billion to 2 trillion dollars for a project that has a 20 year horizon and a zero profit for the first 10 years. Who is
going to pay the insurance premiums and the interest costs for rolling over (refinancing) that amount of money for the time that
the construction takes. We are talking 40 billion dollars with a 5% yearly interest rate. Even if the system manages 100 million
by the 5th year of operation, dividing 40 billion by 100 million is $400 per rider, without including the expenses that have to be
covered as well like salaries for the employees, the electric creation costs, and the other expenses. At $400 per rider, the
competition with airplanes is too real for private capital to make this investment without larger interest rate assurrance, which
adds further costs to the interest load on the system.
This is why public investment by the government is the only way this project can be created. Only government can use the
nation's currency as collateral for the funds that will get invested while the project is in the start up phase. The costs of financing
the enormous sums of investment money do not have to get passed on to the riders of the system, thus enabling more ridership
to occur because the cost of admission can be maintained cheaply.
All you have to do is look at Iraq if you want to see the proof. Outsourcing to the private sector the enormous investments in
pursuit of government policy cannot coordinate anything but self-serving drives to make money.
Which is fine for small scale, localized, specialized projects, but on anything that requires large coordination across time and
space, by using different industries and resources, only the government can be effective, because a private firm will always have
to be concerned with earning profits for the investors in the firm, and will thus be confronted with making decisions that are not
in the best interest of the overall project. The need to make profits to incentivize investors is
inseparable from the operations of any private capital venture.
With a government investment program however, taxes are used to pay the interest on the bonds that are owned by investors.
Taxes are not coming from a revenue stream by a private firm who is trying to price its commodity in order to pay financing costs
and yield profits to investors. This would be like giving ATT the right to assess a 1% tax on all citizens in say Los Angeles in
order to offer you a monthly wireless phone service that they are going to also charge you $30 a month to use. Private firms
don't have taxing authority, and so their revenue stream is more fragile than a public bond. For this reason, Bonds are considered
very safe investments, and investors world-wide buy them because they are guaranteed a return on their investment.
Saturday, 18 October 2008 at 16h 8m 50s
Peggy Noonan eviscerates Palin
Peggy Noonan is Ronald Reagan's ex-speech writer. She has since that time become a "political consultant" for big East
Newspapers : like the New York Times, Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal.
Mind you that I am no fan of Peggy Noonan. She is a snake with a forked tongue, but like every snake, she will occasionally use a
little truth to sweeten the other 60% of the time she slants it.
The myth that is Sarah Palin in the minds of the true believers will come crashing down because actual conservatives are
stepping away from the pack of mindless wolves that have stolen the Republican party.
...we have seen Mrs. Palin on the national stage for seven weeks now, and there is little sign that she has the tools, the
equipment, the knowledge or the philosophical grounding one hopes for, and expects, in a holder of high office. She is a person
of great ambition, but the question remains: What is the purpose of the ambition? She wants to rise, but what for? For seven
weeks I've listened to her, trying to understand if she is Bushian or Reaganite—a spender, to speak briefly, whose political
decisions seem untethered to a political philosophy, and whose foreign policy is shaped by a certain emotionalism, or a
conservative whose principles are rooted in philosophy, and whose foreign policy leans more toward what might be called
romantic realism, and that is speak truth, know America, be America, move diplomatically, respect public opinion, and move
within an awareness and appreciation of reality.
But it's unclear whether she is Bushian or Reaganite. She doesn't think aloud. She just . . . says things.
Her supporters accuse her critics of snobbery: Maybe she's not a big "egghead" but she has brilliant instincts and inner
toughness. But what instincts? "I'm Joe Six-Pack"? She does not speak seriously but attempts to excite sensation—"palling around
with terrorists." If the Ayers case is a serious issue, treat it seriously. She is not as thoughtful or persuasive as Joe the Plumber,
who in an extended cable interview Thursday made a better case for the Republican ticket than the Republican ticket has made. In
the past two weeks she has spent her time throwing out tinny lines to crowds she doesn't, really, understand. This is not a leader,
this is a follower, and she follows what she imagines is the base, which is in fact a vast and broken-hearted thing whose pain she
cannot, actually, imagine. She could reinspire and reinspirit; she chooses merely to excite. She doesn't seem to understand the
implications of her own thoughts.
No news conferences? Interviews now only with friendly journalists? You can't be president or vice president and govern in that
style, as a sequestered figure. This has been Mr. Bush's style the past few years, and see where it got us. You must address
America in its entirety, not as a sliver or a series of slivers but as a full and whole entity, a great nation trying to hold together.
When you don't, when you play only to your little piece, you contribute to its fracturing.
In the end the Palin candidacy is a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics. It's no good, not for
conservatism and not for the country. And yes, it is a mark against John McCain, against his judgment and idealism.
I gather this week from conservative publications that those whose thoughts lead them to criticism in this area are to be
shunned, and accused of the lowest motives. In one now-famous case, Christopher Buckley was shooed from the great magazine
his father invented. In all this, the conservative intelligentsia are doing what they have done for five years. They bitterly attacked
those who came to stand against the Bush administration. This was destructive. If they had stood for conservative principle and
the full expression of views, instead of attempting to silence those who opposed mere party, their movement, and the party,
would be in a better, and healthier, position
Noonan | Wall Street Journal | 17 October 2008]
David Iglesias says he's shocked by the news, leaked today to the Associated Press, that the FBI is pursuing a voter-fraud
investigation into ACORN just weeks before the election.
"I'm astounded that this issue is being trotted out again," Iglesias told TPMmuckraker. "Based on what I saw in 2004 and 2006,
it's a scare tactic." In 2006, Iglesias was fired as U.S. attorney thanks partly to his reluctance to pursue voter-fraud cases as
aggressively as DOJ wanted -- one of several U.S. attorneys fired for inappropriate political reasons, according to a recently
released report by DOJ's Office of the Inspector General.
Iglesias, who has been the most outspoken of the fired U.S. attorneys, went on to say that the FBI's investigation seemed
designed to inappropriately create a "boogeyman" out of voter fraud.
And he added that it "stands to reason" that the investigation was launched in response to GOP complaints. In recent weeks,
national Republican figures -- including John McCain at last night's debate -- have sought to make an issue out of ACORN's
This is from Republican David Iglesias, because some persons know the difference between their country and a political party.
This is what the Attorney General firings 2 years ago was really all about. All of the Federal district attorneys were expected to
comply with Karl Rove's desire to use politically motivated Department of Justice Investigations in order to take down the
opposition. Two years ago, Rove fired 7 Federal attorneys because they refused to proceed with the politically motivated
The entire history of what Rove was doing between 2004 and 2007 has yet to be dismantled and written, but history
will eventually expose the plethora of illegal abuses in the DOJ. A number of old employees were resigning, or were reassigned,
or chose early retirement, because rather than pursuing criminals and nefarious individuals the Department was being
transformed into pursuit of politically driven investigations -- some of which have no merit or legal basis other than partisan
Any honest discussion of voter fraud will say that there are maybe 6 to 20 cases in the entire USA AT MOST in any given year,
because it is extremely
difficult to actually pull-off. Registering false voters will not result in a person who fraudulently voted. A person named "Popeye
The Sailor" can only vote if he proves himself at some point during the first vote. If he shows up to the polling booth, the poll
worker will be astounded that the name "Popeye the Sailor" is on the registration list. Do you really think that poll worker isn't
going to ask for identification? States have laws that require some form of identification for first-time registrations. If Sam Davis
living at 304 Sycamore St. Apt. 8 shows up with a utility bill in that name, or a state I.D. with that name and address, Sam Davis
living at 304 Sycamore St. Apt. 8 gets to sign his name in the registration book and vote.
Absentee Ballots work the same way. Civil servants do make mistakes, like even some human being will do 3 or 4 times out of
repetitions, but states that have absentee ballots also have drivers license data linked to the voter registration data. Do you really
think a registration from a duplicate drivers' license (or state I.D.) will exist in a state computer system? Young pre-21 year olds
might have "fake ID's" but these are only cosmetic -- a look alike older sister or brother, or black market issue. They only see
bar door bouncers, and are never in the state driver's license computer.
Anyone who actually votes -- like myself -- will know this. I vote every single election. There is no excuse for anyone to be
denied the vote. There is also no excuse for anyone not to vote.
How can anyone really be free who does not at least
momentarily partake in the decision making of the nation by pulling a lever for one public policy, official, or another?
resign your small slice of the heritage that is a government of, by, and for the people, you allow the government to be occupied
by public relations managed hyenas who are really only after the power and financial gain.
Friday, 17 October 2008 at 1h 24m 8s
My precious, my precious
It wants-eth to be da big leedah, mon. It stands-eth before the people and looks foolish.
Him's a real leader, him that points the finger and tellsith not the truth. He haseth principolls and really, really cares.
True believers everywhere unite behind the reincarnation of Jim Jones, and drink the Kool-aid.
Here's the caption Reuters provided to accompany the above picture.
US Republican presidential nominee Senator John McCain (R-AZ) reacts to almost heading the wrong way off the stage after
shaking hands with Democratic presidential nominee Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) at the conclusion of the final presidential
debate at Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York, October 15, 2008. REUTERS/Jim Bourg (UNITED STATES) US PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION CAMPAIGN 2008
[SOURCE:Reuters's news service | Yahoo news | 16
Friday, 17 October 2008 at 1h 5m 3s
Down for the Final count
Thank you John Aravosis who deserves all
the credit for collecting the 20 or so editorials from various national news papers across the United States. Note: the
New York Post and the Detroit Free Post usually have conservative, libertarian bent.
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FL – St. Petersburg Times (Editorial) "McCain's last offensive:" On the same day a new poll showed that voters'
confidence in the federal government has reached an all-time low, Obama spoke with a reassuring confidence…But when the
questioning turned to campaign attacks by both sides, McCain could not contain his anger and lost much of his momentum. He
again floated some dark connection between Obama and 1960s-era antigovernment radical Bill Ayers. When that punch failed to
ruffle Obama, McCain ramped up his intensity. The split television screen displayed a candidate who gradually appeared more
frustrated, condescending and dismissive of one who would not take the bait. Those facial expressions will not play well in the
WI – Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (Editorial) "The attack debate:" John McCain went into the final presidential debate on
Wednesday looking for a game-changer, the need to reverse plummeting fortunes as measured by polls and likely fueled by
national economic difficulties that do not favor members of the party now possessing the White House. Time - and an election -
will tell, but our guess is that McCain missed the mark if that was his goal.
MO – Kansas City Star (Editorial) "Attacks can't shake Obama in debate:" Over the three presidential debates, Democrat
Barack Obama has largely answered doubts about his readiness to be president of the United States. His unflappable
temperament, thoughtful demeanor and rhetorical abilities were impressive. Republican John McCain's performances were more
uneven, becoming increasingly aggressive.
MI - Detroit Free Press (Stephen Henderson) "Striving to get back in the game, McCain looks more desperate": It was
probably unrealistic for anyone to believe that Republican presidential candidate John McCain could right the sinking ship of his
campaign with a debate performance, but Wednesday night's encounter with Democrat Barack Obama only seemed to reinforce
the idea that McCain is badly behind, and desperate. Here was McCain, answering a question about the negative tone of his
campaign — and the very frightening tenor of recent rallies for McCain — by talking about the negativity of Obama's campaign,
saying Obama's failure to agree to more than 10 town hall meetings was the reason things turned so negative. But overall, it was
hard not to think of this campaign as largely over while watching the debate. Of course, anything can happen in the next few
weeks, and history says the race will almost certainly tighten. John McCain, though, looked like a guy about to lose and fully
aware of the desperation of his circumstances.
Des Moines Register (David Yepsen) "Obama Bests McCain In Final Debate" John McCain lost the final debate of the
2008 presidential campaign Wednesday night…McCain simply needed a breakout performance and he failed to provide one. He
went into the forum trailing Obama in polls of the contest and he came out of in the same position. By doing so, McCain missed
his biggest remaining opportunity to change the direction of the presidential contest.
MN – Duluth News Tribune (Staff Written) "Local and national online polls give nod to Obama:" News Tribune readers
who answered an unscientific online poll Wednesday said Sen. Barack Obama won the third and final presidential debate over
Sen. John McCain. Of 112 readers who voted between 9:30 and 11 p.m., 59 percent said Obama won while 41 percent said
McCain won. [According to one reader] "I felt that the cool, calm, collected nature of Barack Obama was welcomed and needed in
these already stressful and uncertain times of crisis. To me the long-standing reputation of John McCain as a maverick and a
reformer was overpowered by his cynicism, sarcasm and smugness." [said] Adam White of Duluth.
OH – Columbus Dispatch (Darrel Rowland) "Undecided's dial it up for Obama:" Fifty women gathered in a Columbus
hotel's conference room and got to do what millions of Americans probably wanted to do last night: Tell the presidential
candidates exactly what they thought of them….This group of undecided voters' opinions were recorded every second of the 90-
minute debate. The result? A major win for Democrat Barack Obama. Seventy-one percent of these undecided voters thought
Obama did better in addressing the issues important to them, while only 9 percent felt that way about Republican John McCain.
The group slightly favored Obama coming into the debate, but afterward he won support by about a 2-to-1 ratio.
PA – The Philadelphia Inquirer (Larry Eichel) "Some jabs, but there was no knockout:" Republican John McCain,
desperately trying to launch a comeback with less than three weeks to go, was on the offensive all night, intense and focused. But
Democrat Barack Obama had the same calm and steady presence he'd shown in their two previous encounters, answering some
of McCain's attacks and shrugging off others, saying that the voters want to hear about their own problems instead. When it was
all over, even though the debate was somewhat more contentious than the previous two, the likelihood was that nothing much
had changed in the shape of the campaign. The first round of post-debate polls had Obama the overwhelming winner, as was the
case in the previous two.
PA – Philadelphia Daily News (John Baer) It was an often angry, sometimes manic McCain trying to knock Obama off his
cool at a time when voters are telling pollsters that they want a calm and steady hand steering the nation out of its economic
crisis. Obama was his usual reserved self, often smiling and shaking his head instead of counterpunching. He patiently, even
indulgently, explained and defended his programs and his campaign.
New York Post (Kirsten Powers) "Bam Gets Job Done" Even when McCain was substantively on point, his body language
and tone were a distraction. McCain's facial expressions were akin to Al Gore's sighs in the 2000 debates with George W. Bush. At
times McCain was downright nasty, speaking in sarcastic and condescending tones. Toward the end of the debate when they
discussed education, McCain spoke to Obama with something bordering on disgust. Considering polls show that voters already
view the McCain campaign as overly negative, this behavior couldn't have won over many people.
Boston Globe (Editorial) "Scattershot McCain" John McCain's fiery performance in the final presidential debate last night
may have given a lift to some despondent supporters who have watched the election getting away from them. But it is less clear
that McCain's buckshot approach hit its target…The stock market is in freefall. Basic needs are more expensive than ever. The
very planet is in peril. These are serious concerns that face America's future. Yet, in a debate that McCain needed to win, he
seemed fixated on some deluded throwback from the Vietnam era.
Los Angeles Times (Editorial) "McCain's debatable strategy" Throughout, Obama adopted a look of incredulity, but even
his reserve was cracked by McCain's pivot out of the politics of personal attack. Immediately after demanding that Obama provide
a full accounting of his relationships with ACORN and Ayers, McCain asserted: "My campaign is about getting this economy back
on track, about creating jobs, about a brighter future for America." That disjointed segue was too much for Obama, who laughed.
Boston Globe (Scot Lehigh) "It's not even close": John McCain came into the final presidential debate needing a game-
changer, a Ronald Reagan moment, a Jerry Ford-like blunder by Barack Obama, something - anything - that would reverse the
strengthening tide now running hard against him. He didn't get it. Not even close.
Boston Globe (Joan Vennochi) "That's it for McCain": Its Over. John McCain still hasn't told the country why he should be
president. He has talking points. He is against taxes, earmarks, and pork. But he can't knit what he opposes into a coherent
economic philosophy that would inspire voters to get behind him in the final days of this presidential campaign. He has an
inspirational life story. But in this campaign, he never connected his biography to his presidential ambition, and he never told
voters how it would shape a McCain administration and make him a better president than his opponent.
New York Daily News (Thomas M. DeFrank) "Feisty John McCain works hard, can't score" It was John McCain's last big
chance to tame the massive headwinds buffeting his fading campaign…Barack Obama came into the Hofstra debate handily
ahead. Nothing Wednesday night altered that stark reality for McCain and his dispirited partisans.
New York Post (Carl Campanile) "Barack Rocks With Post Panel" The results are in and the winner is . . . Barack Obama…
McCain's decision to attack Obama for his associations with 1960s Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers and the group
ACORN backfired with The Post's panel of voters. Upper West resident Anne Maxfield said, "Ayers was a terrorist 40 years ago. We
have serious economic problems in this country."
Los Angeles Times (Cathleen Decker) John McCain came into the third and final presidential debate needing to
somehow wrestle the campaign out of Barack Obama's arms. He did not do it. There was no single moment that was likely to
reverberate in the minds of American voters and change the course of an election that has moved dramatically toward Obama in
the last several weeks. But the 90-minute debate was a perfect distillation of McCain's general election campaign, with all of its
TIME (David Von Drehle) "McCain Threw the Sink — and Plumber — But Obama Doesn't Falter" The problem for McCain
is that no matter how hard or how crisply he punched, it could not last. In the end, the gravity of the debate returned to Barack
Obama. The turning point was when McCain finally brought up the issue of Obama's ties to former the anti-Vietnam War terrorist
William Ayers. All he accomplished was to swing the spotlight from himself back to the engaging newcomer. Predictably, Obama
had a mild answer ready-as straightforward and uncontroversial as it was soothing… Mostly he tried to say that Obama-change
is dangerous. Across the table, there sat Obama, looking not very dangerous.
Washington Post (Dana Milbank) Schieffer moved on to another question -- and Ayers and ACORN, after a five-minute
cameo, were gone. In those five minutes, the Republican nominee became the man America had seen in his ads, whose slashing
personal attacks on his opponent's character have, by most measures, done him more harm than good. Perhaps mindful of that,
or perhaps set back by Obama's mild responses to his attacks, McCain, though delivering sharper jabs than he had in the earlier
debates, was unwilling, or unable, to mount a sustained effort to undermine Obama's personal standing.
New York Times (Patrick Healy) "Pressing All the Buttons, McCain Attacks, but Obama Stays Steady": But then Mr.
McCain began to undercut his own effort to paint Mr. Obama as just another negative politician. Mr. McCain grew angry as he
attacked Mr. Obama over his ties to William Ayers, the Chicago professor who helped found the Weather Underground terrorism
group. Suddenly, Mr. McCain was no longer gaining ground by showing command on the top issue for voters, the economy; he
was turning tetchy over a 1960s radical…It seemed as if Mr. McCain was veering from one hot button to another, pressing them
all, hoping to goad Mr. Obama into an outburst or a mistake that would alter the shape of the race in its last three weeks.
Newsweek (Richard Wolffe) "Mad Man" McCain didn't just need a game-changing moment at the debate; the Arizona
senator, known in Washington for his sharp temper, needed a character-changing moment… Whatever happens in the next two
weeks, the McCain campaign should be happy there are no more presidential debates.
Boston Globe (Todd Domke) "Good, but not good enough": John McCain needed to turn this third debate into a second
chance. He needed to persuade undecided voters to look at him in a new, positive way and to look at Barack Obama in a new,
negative way. He needed to change the dynamic of the contest because, ever since the economic crisis struck, Obama has had
the advantages in message, momentum, money, and media…But it wasn't the dramatic breakthrough he needed, so, in effect, he
The Hill (Sam Youngman) "Debate sees an aggressive McCain and a cool Obama:" With less than three weeks before
Election Day, Sen. McCain (Ariz.) had promised to go after Obama more forcefully in their last meeting, and he did just that,
accusing the Illinois senator of lying, wanting to raise taxes and associating with unscrupulous people and organizations. The
Democrat, however, knowing that McCain needed a knockout blow, seemed to take McCain's best punches, explaining himself
when warranted and focusing on the ongoing financial crisis and domestic policy at other times.
Politico (John F. Harris and Jim VandeHei) "Debate III: Edgy McCain sheds no new light": John McCain's challenge at the
final debate was to present his case for the presidency in a new light. But over 90 minutes of intense exchanges with Barack
Obama—sometimes compelling, often awkward—-there was very little new light, and no obvious reason for McCain to be
optimistic that he has turned his troubled campaign in a new direction. To the contrary, what McCain offered at Hofstra University
was simply a more intense, more glaring version of his campaign in familiar light —- an edgy, even angry performance that in
many ways seemed like a metaphor for his unfocused, wildly improvisational campaign.
Politico (Roger Simon) "McCain fails, Obama is not rattled" John McCain needed a miracle in his final debate with Barack Obama on
Wednesday night, a miracle that would wipe away McCain's deficit in the polls and re-energize his flagging campaign. He did not
Friday, 17 October 2008 at 0h 37m 17s
The truth about Voter Registration
The media conglomerates want to confuse, not inform, you.
From October 6 through October 15, CNN aired at least 54 segments mentioning allegations that ACORN submitted allegedly false
or duplicate voter registration applications this year in a number of states. However, only one of those segments mentioned both of
the following two relevant points: 1) that the statutes of most of those states require third parties registering prospective voters to
submit all registration forms they receive; and 2) that actual instances of illegal votes being cast as a result of registration fraud are
extremely rare. Of the 54 CNN segments addressing the allegations against ACORN, two mentioned only the former of those two
points, while one mentioned just the latter.
[SOURCE:Eric Boehlert & Jamison
Foser | Media Matters |16 October 2008 ]
Friday, 17 October 2008 at 0h 16m 50s
Joe the Plummer and the Keating Family ties
That Joe the plumber guy whom McCain referred to as a real, down home guy.
Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert
Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent
company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican
causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.
for a video feed in which Mike Papantonio reveals the truth about Mr. Joe the Plumber.
That's all the Republicans can do: plant fake people who pose as real people.